In this episode, evolutionary biologist Douglas Emlen joins Fred Lawrence in a conversation about his research on extreme animal weapons— from the horns of a rhinoceros beetle to elk antlers. He discusses his family's scientific legacy, his early reluctance to follow in their footsteps, and how his childhood experiences in Kenya influenced his path. In his award-winning book, Animal Weapons: The Evolution of Battle, Emlen also explores the parallels between animal and human arms races. His interdisciplinary work connects biological evolution with military history, shedding light on the forces that drive the escalation of weapons in both human societies and nature.  
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Douglas Emlen 

Douglas Emlen is a Montana Regents Professor of Biology at the University of Montana. Professor Emlen studies “extreme” animal weapons including antlers and, especially, the outlandish horns of rhinoceros beetles. His first book, Animal Weapons: The Evolution of Battle (Henry Holt 2014), compared arms races in animal weapons to those that occur in manufactured military weapon technologies, and was awarded the Phi Beta Kappa Science Book of the Year prize in 2015. His second book, Beetle Battles: One Scientist's Journey of Adventure and Discovery (Roaring Brook/Macmillan, 2019), is narrative nonfiction for middle school readers; and his textbook Evolution: Making Sense of Life (Macmillan Learning) co-authored with New York Times science writer Carl Zimmer, is currently adopted at more than 300 colleges and universities.  Emlen’s research has been featured in outlets including The New York Times, National Public Radio’s Fresh Air and Science Friday, and YouTube’s SciShow and MeatEater, and he recently starred in documentaries about his work for the BBC (Nature’s Wildest Weapons) and NOVA (Extreme Animal Weapons). Emlen is an elected member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences (2016) and the National Academy of Sciences (2023).

About Key Conversations 

 

Key Conversations with Phi Beta Kappa is a podcast featuring in-depth conversations between Fred Lawrence, Secretary/CEO of Phi Beta Kappa, and Phi Beta Kappa Visiting Scholars. With a new episode released monthly, each podcast invites listeners to take a seat at the table to learn more about the featured Scholar's background, research, and how they have taken their respective paths to where they are now, and where they are headed. 

Since 1956, the Phi Beta Kappa Visiting Scholar Program has been offering undergraduates the opportunity to spend time with some of America's most distinguished scholars. The purpose of the program is to contribute to the intellectual life of the campus by making possible an exchange of ideas between the Visiting Scholars and the resident faculty and students.​
 

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Frederick M. Lawrence is the 10th Secretary and CEO of the Phi Beta Kappa Society. An accomplished scholar, teacher and attorney, he is one of the nation’s leading experts on civil rights, free expression, and bias crimes. Learn More.

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