In this episode, Fred Lawrence sits down with Professor Margo Schlanger, a leading civil rights expert and the founder of the Civil Rights Litigation Clearinghouse. Schlanger reflects on her journey from a "generalist" undergraduate at Yale to a powerhouse advocate for underrepresented communities. She shares the origin story of her first major legal victory—a student-led project that secured childcare for high school students—and discusses her high-impact work within the federal government. From the history of prison uprisings to the digital preservation of modern civil rights cases, Schlanger offers a masterclass on how the law can be leveraged to create a more equitable society.  
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Margo Schlanger

Margo Schlanger is the University of Michigan's Wade H. and Dores M. McCree Collegiate Professor of Law, and the founder and director of the Civil Rights Litigation Clearinghouse. Professor Schlanger earned her JD from Yale in 1993, and clerked for Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She teaches and writes about constitutional law, torts, civil rights, and incarceration. She is the author of dozens of scholarly articles addressing these topics, and the lead author of Incarceration and the Law. She also served as reporter for the ABA’s Standards on the Treatment of Prisoners. Professor Schlanger has extensive experience in civil rights and prison and immigration reform. She led USDA’s Discrimination Financial Assistance Program, which in 2024 provided $2 billion to 43,000 people who experienced discrimination in USDA farm lending. Previously, she was class counsel in Hamama v. Adducci, a national lawsuit on behalf of Iraqi nationals the Trump Administration sought to deport, and she was the monitor for a statewide settlement dealing with deaf prisoners in Kentucky. In 2010 and 2011, she was the presidentially appointed DHS Officer for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. Professor Schlanger is the 2025-2026 Carl F. Cranor Family Visiting Scholar. 

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Key Conversations with Phi Beta Kappa is a podcast featuring in-depth conversations between Fred Lawrence, Secretary/CEO of Phi Beta Kappa, and Phi Beta Kappa Visiting Scholars. With a new episode released monthly, each podcast invites listeners to take a seat at the table to learn more about the featured Scholar's background, research, and how they have taken their respective paths to where they are now, and where they are headed. 

Since 1956, the Phi Beta Kappa Visiting Scholar Program has been offering undergraduates the opportunity to spend time with some of America's most distinguished scholars. The purpose of the program is to contribute to the intellectual life of the campus by making possible an exchange of ideas between the Visiting Scholars and the resident faculty and students.​
 

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Frederick M. Lawrence is the 10th Secretary and CEO of the Phi Beta Kappa Society. An accomplished scholar, teacher and attorney, he is one of the nation’s leading experts on civil rights, free expression, and bias crimes. Learn More.

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